Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Mitt Romney's Home

From the couple who purchased Mitt Romney's home 

From Corinne and Hal Prewitt:
Regardless of who any of us are supporting in the presidential election,
we all are better served by knowing the truth as this does
influence who we support. It was not approved by Mitt Romney
or his campaign.

As you may know, we own Mitt Romney's former home.
Corinne and I have written a non-political-issue story that
you very likely have not heard. We did this because many
Democratic, Republican and Independent voters strongly
recommended and found it valuable. Private details,
how he acted out of public view and when not running for office.
We are messengers, delivering facts. Not initially his supporters
nor anti-Obama. Mitt Romney is very different from the man
that many Americans have been led to believe.

Our's is a factual story that provides a rare glimpse and insight into
the real Mitt Romney. Does he really relate to the average American?
As President, would he impose his beliefs on others? Is he really
Christian?

When you buy a home and its contents from someone you really learn a
lot about their true character, values and beliefs. And rarely does
anyone have the opportunity to learn how a politician acts out of the
public's view and when they are not running for office. Well, this
actually happened. When? Only a few years ago, in spring of 2009 when
we bought Mitt Romney's Park City, Utah home. His family lived in this
home for about ten years. Because our deal included most of the
contents, we gained a unique and unusual perspective of him and his
family of which most Americans are completely unaware. What we
experienced was not what we expected. Not the stereotypical actions of
a millionaire and more importantly not the image most Americans have
of Mitt Romney.

When most of us buy a home, the real estate agent or seller hands over
the keys at closing and then as buyers, we are on our own. Not this
time. We met Mitt Romney by himself at the house. He spent as much
time as we needed showing us around, answering our questions and
explaining how to use and service the home's equipment. And when he
was done, he gave us his direct contact information should we have
problems.

To move, if we can afford the cost, most of us would hire movers with
a team of workers. To save money, many of us are the do-it-our-selves
types. Which did Mitt Romney do? Like many of us, on his own he rented
a six-wheel truck and moved himself. He drove to the local Home Depot
and purchased wood to build whatever he needed for the transport. Mitt
moved his family's clothes, his family's photos, his family's
mementos, his grandchildren's toys. With the help of a friend and
family, they loaded the truck. Then, after answering all our questions
Mitt Romney said his goodbyes, climbed into the truck and began the
long drive to his new home by himself.

The Romney Park City home, which they designed and built, and its
contents had much to say. Having raised a family of our own, we saw
that the home was built with a focus on his family. No swimming pool,
tennis court or movie theater. There are no maid, butler or nanny
quarters. Clearly Ann and Mitt raised their kids. No gold faucets, no
fancy silverware. The kitchen was simple and typical of an average
three bedroom home, very much like those in which we were raised. We
were struck by the discovery that most of the art, furniture and all
the curtains were made in America and many by local craftsmen. Most of
the linens were of good quality but not what is found at very high
end, exclusive stores. The master bedroom pillows had tags from the
average American’s most popular discount store.

In the most honored place in the master bedroom hung a painting of
Jesus Christ. Most Americans know little about Mormonism and we didn't
either. Mitt Romney clearly had a home of faith and family just like
the rest of us.

One of the most interesting questions many have asked is, "As
president will he impose his beliefs on others?" Many claim that a
President Romney would take away rights and impose his beliefs on all
Americans. The Romney home contents gave us insight into this
question. One of the strongest Mormon beliefs is the prohibition
against drinking alcohol. We were surprised to find a small supply
which we were told was available for guests, not for the family. Mitt
Romney had a respect for his guest's wishes. By not imposing his
beliefs on others even within his own home, then clearly a President
Romney would not take away rights and impose his beliefs on all
Americans. Those making such accusations should stop. The facts do not
support their claims.

It is amazing what can be learned about someone from observing the
smallest details. In the Romney's family mud room, where the boots and
outdoor clothing were stored, we found the Governor's ski gloves. One
of his son's apologized for his dad's lack of concern about his
appearance when Mitt went skiing because the gloves would surely be
noticed. They were worn out and had holes in the fingers. Mitt had
gone to the garage tool box and wrapped them with duct tape. Thrifty?
Yes, and the repair provided an immediate practical solution rather
than traveling to the store to buy a new pair. His indifference to
appearance demonstrated his confidence, true character and priorities.
Good qualities, but easily misunderstood because they are quite
different from those displayed by many famous people and certainly
politicians, who highly protect and prize their appearance.

As you have read, our story is not about a wealthy man's nice home or
its beautiful contents. It is about the story they tell and how our
experiences with him showed the real Mitt Romney. How his family truly
lived is a real indication of their values and beliefs. There is more
we could tell, but hope we have provided enough facts to answer some
key questions on many voters' minds. Mitt Romney is very different
from the man that many of us have been led to believe. Clearly he is
more like most Americans than not. We learned many things about Mitt
Romney that contradicted what we have been told. He is not aloof or
out of touch. He is a man of faith, family and American values. A guy
who is well-grounded. It is not beneath him to roll up his
shirt-sleeves and get the job done. The fact that he has allowed this
to be kept so very private is a true testament to his character and
shows how different he is from many other politicians.

Who are we and why are we speaking out? Growing up in Florida and
Pennsylvania, we knew little to nothing of Utah, Mitt Romney, his
family or values, beliefs, religion and his capabilities. We were
amazed by what we learned. We want nothing more than for our fellow
citizens to know what we know. We are not part of any campaign, not
Mormon nor religious activists. We have voted for Democrats and
Republicans and were not Governor Romney supporters. Hal is a farmer,
race car driver and retired after creating a number of successful
businesses. Corinne is a retired government employee. We do not come
from wealthy families. Our parents worked average jobs. Our fathers
were a mailman and an engineer. Our mothers were a nurse and a
housewife. We struggled, worked hard and are grateful for having been
rewarded over the years. We have never given up on achieving the
American dream. But the story we tell is not about us.

As Americans, we depend on our press to provide us with factual and
unbiased information. We hear politicians sometimes misspeak and
others take their statements out of context. Many times it is hard to
tell what is fact and what is fiction. Over the past few months, we
have noticed how different from reality some of the public perceptions
and media presentations of Governor Romney are. Unfortunately, some
political opponents spread false information and misconceptions. This
is wrong.

This injustice and the value of our story has led us to speak up and
provide these facts. No one can say with absolute certainty what kinds
of decisions a president will make while still a candidate for that
office. To predict, we only have access to their words, history and if
available the most useful facts of all, how they acted out of public
view and when they are not running for office. This is why our story
is so important, valuable and must be told. No doubt some will want to
dismiss our story, argue that it is not newsworthy nor relevant and
possibly subject us to an undesired spot light. However, we hope the
American people are given the opportunity to hear the truth,
especially when the facts directly contradict what many people think
to be true.

Corinne & Hal Prewitt
mail@prewitt.net
 

Sunday, June 17, 2012

Father's Day 2012


Dear Daddy,
It’s Father’s Day, June 17 2012.  For Empty Nesters tomorrow night, I’ve asked members to write letters to their own fathers, so here’s my example.  You have been gone nearly 27 years, but you are still much in my thoughts.  In my church classes, I often cite examples of things you did that illustrate what a good father and husband is or should be.  This is my opportunity to record them for my own posterity.
My earliest memories are of sitting in the big brown chair on your lap as you read to me my favorite narrative poem “Water Babies.”  You read it hundreds of times, but never refused to read it one more time.  I can still feel the soothing rumble of your deep bass voice as I lay my head on your chest. 
You worked for the Bureau of Reclamation in Boulder City, Nevada, at the top of Administration Hill.  You walked to work, so at the end of the day I would walk to meet you.  If you wanted time to unwind, you never showed it.  You were always happy to see me and hear about my own day.  After we moved to Phoenix, things changed, because you had to drive to work.  But as soon as you got home, every single evening, you washed your hands, put on an apron, and started helping fix dinner.  After dinner, you would dry dishes while one of your children washed – more time for one-on-one conversation with your kids.  That pattern never changed even after the last child left home.  You continued to help fix dinner and wash the dishes, to vacuum and dust, to shop for groceries or run errands for Mom.  You never in your life had an automatic dishwasher or automatic clothes dryer – you claimed you had four built-in ones.  As an adult, I realized you always used drying dishes and hanging clothes as an opportunity to spend time with your children. 
You were an intellectual and scholar in the true sense of the word.  Your entire college career, which included a Master’s Degree, consisted of night classes, because you had to work during the day.  But in addition to your degrees in Business and Public Administration, you were a student of the gospel and of literature, history, and politics.  You also had an amazing bass singing voice.  As we did the dishes or hung clothes on the line, or as we traveled in the car, we would learn songs, poems, Shakespeare monologues, scripture, and historical trivia.  I sang “Tell Me Why” with you at numerous events, and I think David can still recite “Thanatopsis.”  In addition to your formal education, you read voraciously – news journals, biographies, non-fiction, histories, and of course The Improvement Era and Ensign.  I honestly don’t recall a single instance of your answering “I don’t know” to any question I asked on any subject.  If in fact you didn’t know, you would say “let’s look that up.”  Mom claimed one of the reasons she married you was that she knew she would have smart children.  The other reason was that you could balance a checkbook, and she knew you would be a good husband and father.
What I remember most is your passionate love for our mother.  You always kissed her goodbye and hello as you came and went, patted her on the fanny every chance you could sneak, complimented her, praised her, and supported all her activities.  To the end of your life, we knew you did not merely love her – you were madly in love with her.  On a trip we once took together, you told me you considered her happiness to be the most important thing in your life, and that you had dedicated your life to making it so.  I never once heard you say an unkind thing either to her or about her.  No wonder her own last words before she died were “I want to go home – to be with Daddy.” 

Wednesday, February 8, 2012

This was sent via email, but I don't know the original source.  I think it's hilarious.

Mitt Romney’s New Ward

If Mitt Romney becomes President of the US (aka POTUS), his family will be assigned to the Washington DC 3rd Ward of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
So if you are the Bishop for the 3rd Ward, ya gotta be wondering:
1. Will you allow an inaugural ball to be held in the cultural hall? Do you mount security cameras on top of each basketball rim and have a secret service detail stationed on the stage?
2. Can you call Mitt and Ann as the Nursery leaders… even if you really feel inspired?
3. Who is going to home teach them?
4. If Harry Reid and Mitt Romney are in the same High Priest group, will they behave responsibly, or do you need to be there to keep order?
5. Exactly how will tithing settlement work? Will the Secretary of the Treasury come, too? Or would the Fed Chairman be a better choice?
6. Will you be inviting the new Romney family to speak in Sacrament Meeting… and if they go a little over, at what point do you ask them to sit down?
7. Will the Secret Service do a sweep of the building before each meeting?
8. Can you call the Secret Service agents to help out in Primary?
9. If you give Mitt a calling and the pair of token Democrats in the ward raise their hand AGAINST sustaining him - then what?!!
10. If you can’t give them a calling, and they don’t attend very often, will that mean they’re ‘inactive?’ If they’re not active, can you give them a Temple Recommend? And if you do, can they go? How will the Secret Service screen the temple?
And if you’re assigned to be the Romneys’ Home or Visiting Teacher:
1. Can you just drop by when you are in the neighborhood, without an appointment?
2. Can you even call them for an appointment, or do you have to go through the Chief of Staff?
3. Can you bring by Christmas sweets and cookies? Will they be screened by the Secret Service first? If so, is this a missionary opportunity to share the gospel?
4. If you don’t come teach the Romneys regularly, can the IRS do an audit on you?
5. Will they want to do a national security background check?
6. Do you have to have a permanent teaching companion assigned who has been vetted? Can you just grab any teacher or priest to come with you? What if they are Democrats?
7. Do you have to help him move in and out of the White House?
8. If Ann Romney gets sick, are you allowed to bring in meals or at least tell the Relief Society President about it?
9. What can you share with the Bishop about the Romneys?
10. Do you have to ask them about their year’s supply?
11. If you get a late night call for a blessing, will reporters follow you around wanting to know what was wrong and what you said? And if the reporters offer remuneration in exchange for your time, does it all have to be donated or just the standard 10-percent tithe?

Monday, January 9, 2012

Not-Romneys Commit Suicide

Seriously? 

It's a day like today that makes me wonder why in the heck I'm still a Republican.  Led by Newt Gingrich, the poster child for Egotistical Politicians International, the "Not-Romney" presidential candidates are attacking Mitt Romney's former company, Bain Capital, on the grounds that a few companies (3 or 4) in which Bain Capital  invested or had an ownership interest were forced to lay off workers and/or file for bankruptcy.   Let's consider a few items:

1.  Companies are supposed to make a profit.  That way they can keep people employed and allow their shareholders to make a positive return on their investments.  But sometimes companies fail.   

2.  In their criticisms, the Not-Romneys are studiously ignoring the hundreds of successful companies Bain Capital owned or invested in and the millions (billions?) of dollars and many, many thousands of people they employed - who are still employed, and working for companies that are still producing a profit. 

3.  I have yet to hear a Not-Romney detail what he would have done differently in the face of a failing company.  Are they actually suggesting Romney should have gone to the federal government to ask for a bailout in order to keep those companies running and their people employed?  Or that the employees should have been kept on even though the companies were failing?  These men understand that failure is one of the potential consequences of a free economy.  But after unanimously asserting in every debate that government doesn't create jobs - companies create jobs - they're now throwing manure on one of the most successful job-creating companies in American history. 

4.  The hypocrisy of the Not-Romneys is astonishing.  Even as they criticize Obama and his followers for subsidizing and bailing out private companies with taxpayer dollars, they lambaste Romney, who didn't add a dime to the national debt while trying to turn around a few companies that were just too far gone to succeed. 

5.  Have the Not-Romneys actually listened to the perfect sound-bites they're providing to the Democrats?  They're already being quoted ad nauseum during the Republican primaries.  Can they not envision the damage they're going to cause during the general election?  Can they not imagine that even if one of them manages to prevail over Romney, that such anti-capitalist statements will be slung back in his face?  They're  sounding as socialist as the guy they're trying to beat in November.  Political suicide. 

6.  I'm equally disgusted with the "fair and balanced" commentators on Fox News.  Fox News!!! Are you kidding me???!!!  They've jumped on the Not-Romney wagon along with the candidates on the Bain Capital issue - sounding just like their counterparts on CNN and MSNBC. Shepard Smith practically screamed at a Romney supporter about how Bain Capital laid off employees, interrupting him several times to keep repeating the same thing over and over.   Juan Williams, the Democratic commentator, caught the irony of the situation  but Smith was too obtuse to see it. 






Sunday, July 10, 2011

Two Presidents

The following was delivered via e-mail from a friend.  Rather a stark contrast. 


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WHAT A DIFFERENCE





George W. Bush speech after capture of Saddam Hussein:
The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq ..  The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by
a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate 'them.




 


Barack Hussein Obama speech, Sunday, May 1, 2011:
And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as I continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.  Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by my intelligence community, was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information
about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that I had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.                        

 Thomas G. McDonald, MCR
Lic. #00757750
Executive Vice President
Jones Lang LaSalle
515 S Flower St, Suite 1300
Los Angeles, CA 90071
Main:  213.239.6000       Cell: 213.718.4864
Direct: 213.239.6080       Fax: 312.470.7715
 
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A Priesthood Vignette

I have for several years served as a church service missionary for the LDS Church.  I've been spending the day on a mission research assignment about the priesthood.  Reviewing conference talks from our leaders caused me to recall a lovely moment from my past.  It was one of those brief, special scenes in which no words were spoken, but the message was profound.

Sacrament Meeting had started in my Phoenix ward.  Announcements were made, the opening song and prayer delivered, and ward business handled.  The then stake president, Darwin Davis, was sitting on the stand.  I don't recall if he was there to speak, or if he was just visiting.  The bishop announced the sacrament song, and we began singing.  I looked toward the sacrament table, and there was no one there.  Apparently the teachers and deacons had fulfilled their responsibilities, but no priests had shown up.  I caught President Davis's eye and pointed to the table.  He looked over, then nodded to Darrell Pennell, of the stake high council, sitting in the congregation. The two of them walked quietly to the table and began breaking the bread.  When the song ended, they in turn knelt and blessed the sacrament.   

I'm sure the bishop and priesthood leaders were embarrassed, but I remember it only as a quiet, Christlike manifestation of priesthood power and responsibility.  I don't doubt that had there been deacons missing, those two leaders would as calmly have served the sacrament.  They acted humbly in the place of and in the name of the One who first broke the bread and served the wine and asked that we partake in remembrance of Him. 

It's a vignette I treasure for all that was unsaid.

Tuesday, June 14, 2011

What Do I Do Next?

Today, June 14, is my birthday.  At 9:14 this morning, I became 67 years old.  I'm sure I share with many other 67-year-olds a sense of astonishment at having lived so long without having accomplished anything more noteworthy than occupying space on earth for 67 years.

When I was 10, my maternal grandfather died.  He had just turned 67.  Now there was a man of remarkable accomplishment.  He was a missionary; a telegrapher; a sheepherder, farmer and rancher; a surveyor and real estate developer; a school teacher, coach, principal and superintendent; a scholar and writer; a legislator; an owner and operator of the town waterworks; and an actor.  He died taking his secret recipe for buttermilk pancakes with him.

I have no secret recipes.  I have many cookbooks I rarely use.  

I've often wondered what more he might have accomplished had he lived as long as his widow, who continued on for 35 years!!! after he died.  At the age of 60, she was appointed by the governor of Arizona to replace her husband in the legislature, where she served for 12 years.  She had shared with and supported her husband in all his endeavors, and continued most of them herself.  She was also an accomplished elementary and music teacher to hundreds; a musician and choir director; and she grew the biggest, juiciest raspberries and strawberries in the county.

I have neither raspberries nor strawberries, except the ones in my freezer, bought on sale.

So at least in theory, I have somewhere between one month and 35 years to play catch up - to overcome 67 years of sloth.  Although I have a bucket list of sorts, it's full of what I know are rather selfish or self-centered wants:  a return trip to Scotland; a smaller waistline; a newer car. But is it selfish to also want to make a difference?  To have my efforts count for something other than filling up space and time?   I'm open to suggestions from any and all.  So here's the question:  What do I do next?  As soon as I sign off, I'm going to plant a few things in my square foot garden.  After that ---------?

I'm waiting for your suggestions - really.

Friday, December 31, 2010

And a PC New Year to You All

Reviewing some previously unread pre-Christmas emails, I found the following from a good friend:


 To My Democrat Friends:






Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.





I also wish you a fiscally-successful, personally-fulfilling and medically-uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2011, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than neither any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere.





Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee. 



To My Republican Friends:





Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!




I'm so grateful for my Jewish accountant, who always wishes me a Merry Christmas. I so wish the rest of the world had both his sense and sensibility.  


My good wishes to all, of whatsoever persuasion. 



Thursday, December 2, 2010

Exactly How Powerful Are You?

I'm no physicist, so those of you who are, or who at least understand physics, should please bear with me as I summarize something I heard today at a seminar.  The speaker was discussing "belief codes" - understandings we need to have about our beliefs in order to rid ourselves of false beliefs and adopt valid ones.  Belief No. 1 is "What happens in me re-arranges the life around me."  I thought that was a bit of an over-reach, until she gave the following account:

At the most microscopic level, everything is composed of particles of energy.  By the year 2,000, it was established that every living thing is connected to everything else.  This is (apparently) the quantum string theory.  Tests were done by giving people one drop of water.  The people holding the drop were instructed to use words such as "love," "peace," "hope," - "good" words.  Following this, the drops were magnified 20,000 times.  Their structure showed a neat, orderly arrangement.  Then the people were given a single drop and instructed to use "bad" words - "hate," "despair," "war" etc.  Again the drops were magnified 20,000 times.  This time their structure was disorganized and distorted.  Whoah. 

The speaker expanded the concept into everyday life:  how our daily attitudes and actions "rearrange" what goes on around us in our homes, work, relationships, and so forth.  Because we are connected to everything and everyone, every action we take or word we speak "rearranges" life around us, causing things to happen or not happen as a result.  Her point was to persuade us to hold ourselves accountable for the results in our life. 

Now the oracle in me ("oracle" is a term of art - means I tend to be analytical) says that this principle applies to everybody, so if my neighbor plays his drums at 2:00 am he is rearranging my molecules, so how does that make me responsible for my irritation?  As I understand it, the irritation is a choice - I could choose to admire his skill, even at that hour of the morning, thus leaving his molecules neat and orderly. 

I will, however, accept responsibility for the fact that my cucumbers didn't grow this summer, for succumbing and buying a carton of Blue Bunny peppermint ice cream, and for rearranging the molecules of numerous people in my life.  What's your story?  Exactly how powerful are you?

Saturday, November 27, 2010

Do-It-Yourself Mission


I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon). When I moved to the Salt Lake Valley I became aware of literally hundreds of opportunities to serve as a Church-Service Missionary. Positions ranged from conducting tours at Church sites or training prisoners in family history indexing to locating real estate for buildings or helping people find employment. I was much blessed to be asked to serve in the Church Curriculum Department, where I have happily served for more than five years. But I have never lost my curiosity about what other service missionaries are doing in the Church, so periodically I sign onto the Church website to see what's available. Imagine my delight when I ran across the following entry under "Communications and Media."

DESIGN YOUR OWN CHURCH-SERVICE MISSION (CSM) (#3754)

Do you see a need where a Church-service Missionary could be of benefit to the Church? If you can identify a specific need, then call Elder Cornell Ullman at 503.656.2389 or click on “Request Information.”

Here is a wonderful example of "Design Your Own Mission.” A brother in the Oregon City Stake had a special talent of being able to form and lead successful ward choirs. So he designed his own position, completed the CSM Recommendation Form and was called to be a Church-service Missionary where he went throughout the Portland area coaching choir directors how to form and direct their ward choirs. The results blessed not only the choir director and the choir but also blessed the wards.

Skills: Use your expertise in designing you own Church-service Mission.
 
Location: Stakes within Southwest Washington, Oregon, United States 
Contact:
See narrative.

Welfare Department


NANW Area Portland CS Missionary Group Coordinator(s):
Elder Cornell L. Ullman
Sister Patricia S. Ullman
503/656-2389

Can you imagine how ecstatic bishops and ward choir directors are to have this talented man offer his services in such a way?  The possibilities boggle the mind:  Dance directors who know how to dance; basketball coaches who know how to play basketball; accountants who know how to count - all serving voluntarily in their areas of expertise to train ward members called to serve in positions in which they have little or no background.  That's what senior missionaries are supposed to be about anyway, but often they are called where there is the greatest need, which doesn't necessarily correspond to their greatest expertise. 

I don't want to demean or diminish in any way the inspiration of bishops and other priesthood leaders who call people to such positions, knowing they will grow in all kinds of important ways as they try to magnify their callings.  I have been a witness to frequent transformations.  At the same time, I think of many thousands of senior people throughout the Church with vast experience in all kinds of areas who might be far more likely to volunteer to serve if they knew they would be working in their own areas of experience and expertise.  So here's a challenge:  if you could design your own Church service mission (or your own volunteer experience if you're not LDS), what would it look like?